If we are adding Discusson PAGES, it seems necessary to have one devoted just to Addiction.
And here it its.
Perhaps as you run across your past comments on Addiction you could move them here, then we can have a concise page to reveiw and comment on.
If you can, please reapply your Discussion comments and we will soon get to a reconcilliation phase.
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Forced to be addicted to have control over?
Comment by kim rowland — September 23, 2009 @ 5:47 am |
The medications build up in the liver and your liver becomes toxic. You feel constantly like you want to throw up, so you have no appetite. Your weight drops but your body is used to the dose of medication, so you cannot cut the dose. I speak from experience. I don’t think Michael could eat even if he wanted to. You need the medications otherwise you go through withdrawal plus you need them for what ever ailment you have, so you take them on an empty stomach. I do. Believe me it is a vicious circle, and not one that you plan to be in. I am 5′7″ and I weigh 105lbs. I do not have all the other health problems Michael had and I know how bad I feel. Michael really needed more people around him to help him better.
Thanks Nikki, hopefully people will become more aware of the dangers of prescription medications and more understanding of the people who take them for a genuine problem and become addicted.
God Bless
Comment by Sheryl — September 6, 2009 @ 7:24 pm |
Comment by Sheryl — September 24, 2009 @ 4:39 am |
Hi Guys, I thougt I would put up the CNN report of the Coroners report on Michaels death.
Murray told detectives he had been treating Jackson for insomnia for six weeks, giving him 50 milligrams of propofol, the generic name for Diprivan, diluted with the anesthetic lidocaine every night via an intravenous drip, the affidavit said.
Worried that Jackson might become addicted to the drug, Murray said he tried to wean Jackson from it, putting together combinations of other drugs that succeeded in helping him sleep during the two nights before his death.
But on the morning of June 25 other drugs failed to do the job. Murray recounted the events to detectives in an hour-by-hour account that was detailed by Martinez:
• About 1:30 a.m., Murray gave Jackson 10 mg of Valium (diazepam).
• About 2 a.m., he injected Jackson with 2 mg of the antianxiety drug Ativan (lorazepam).
• About 3 a.m., Murray then administered 2 mg of the sedative Versed (midazolam).
• About 5 a.m., he administered another 2 mg of Ativan.
• About 7:30 a.m., Murray gave Jackson yet another 2 mg of Versed while monitoring him with a device that measures the oxygen saturation of his blood.
• About 10:40 a.m., “after repeated demands/requests from Jackson,” Murray administered 25 mg of propofol, the document said.
“Jackson finally went to sleep and Murray stated that he remained monitoring him. After approximately 10 minutes, Murray stated he left Jackson’s side to go to the restroom and relieve himself. Murray stated he was out of the room for about two minutes maximum. Upon his return, Murray noticed that Jackson was no longer breathing.”
I will find a list of some of the other drugs/meds Michael was apparently taking.
We all know that this time line is not accurate as Michael already state that he died around 8 – 8.18am
Comment by Sheryl — September 24, 2009 @ 5:44 pm |
Sheryl, you will want to begin posting new information to the new Community Forum as these pages will cease to exist very soon. I don’t want your work to be wasted. And you seem to be putting a lot of effort into your pursuits.
Thanks.
Comment by ChrisTian — September 24, 2009 @ 5:55 pm |
I looked up these drugs and found the following side efects and warnings”
1. Valium – side effects: confusion, headaches, slurred speech, dizziness, blurred vision, anxiety, agitation, SLEEP DISTURBANCE / INSOMNIA
2. Ativan – side effects: confusion, slurred speech, headaches, memory impairment, SLEEP DISTURBANCES / INSOMNIA, drowsiness, RESPIRATORY DEPRESSION (has huge warnings about this)
3. Versed – side effects: slurred speech, anxiety, confusion, groggy, SLEEP DISTURBANCES / INSOMNIA
4. Propofol – side effects: RESPIRATORY DEPRESSION.
They all had various other side effects, but those seemed to be the important ones. DR. Murray may have been trying to help Michael sleep, but did he not look at the side effects. Most of these drugs he gave Michael the day he died can cause INSOMNIA. Plus 2 can cause RESPIRATORY DEPRESSION (both come with big warnings about that). Even if Michael had died how was he supposed to perform with some of those other side effects.
Comment by Sheryl — September 24, 2009 @ 6:51 pm |
The side effects vary depending on the doses given. I worked in sedation in Oral surgery. The Dr.’s timeline mentions the amounts of the meds. The amounts are small the normal amounts of these meds given especially for the conditions needed would have been higher to get an achieved affect. 10 mg of Valium would make you sleepy and put you in a subconsious state where you’re level of awareness is lessened especially anxiety. But 2mg of the other meds wouldn’t do much alone. I’m not sure about the mixture though since they are all in the same classifications of meds. They are labled as Class C drugs for a reason. The propofol doesn’t make sense. Besides oxygen you do need other medical equipment in the event of an emergency. Like most Dr.’s offices have a crash cart. This mixture could have prompted a laryngospasm and closed the airway. That’s why people need intubation with this at higher levels. Even the other meds can cause this reaction to occur. This stops breathing and a med can be given to reverse the reaction it’s a benedryl type of med. antihistamines are used. Hope I’m not being too technical though. I wonder if there was constriction in the airway since during the channel session Dr. Christian was having trouble breathing.
Comment by kim — September 24, 2009 @ 7:25 pm |
The autopsy didn’t list any other drugs he was taking except those given by the Dr. if I remember correctly. The other meds were at his house though. Beside his bed it was said that there was Benoquin, a bleaching cream- an eye drop for glucoma and a sleep aid. And
Comment by kim — September 24, 2009 @ 7:04 pm |
Hi Sheryl, do you have a link to the new community forum for this blog on MJ, that Dr Von Lahr mentioned. I came across these amazing discussions here and was interested in reading the later ones on the forum. Unfortunately the link on the right hand side of the page did not work. Just wondering if you can help?
Comment by Grace — July 28, 2018 @ 1:33 am |
Why was coroner’s report Acute Propofol intoxication? Was MJ given this perhaps after he already died? That may explain inability to be circulated through the blood and metabolized therefore builds up in the system. I’ve thought this one through over and over. I read that an anesthesiologist claimed that the 25 mg of propofol wasn’t a lethal dose…If the T.O.D. was around 8 or 8:18 that would have been after the last sedative given…The device that measures the oxygen saturation in the blood is a Pulse Oxyimter. It also measures pulse rate. Oxygen saturation should maintain at least above 93% anything below should have oxygen administered. In the channel session MJ mentioned the tanks were half full….did he run out of oxygen and the Dr. didn’t check the psi on the outside gauge of the tank? So as he was running out of oxygen was he having hallucinations or episode of delirium? I can’t imagine MJ demanding the Propofol. I think this night was an isolated incident preplanned. I don’t know if he was given propofol for 6 weeks straight he would have been able to rehearse for his tour. Something just ain’t right here!
Comment by kim — September 24, 2009 @ 6:45 pm |
I don’t buy the Dr’s timeline. I feel he panicked and was covering his tracks and that caused the delay with the 911 call. Michael finished rehersing just after midnight and he was due to rehearse singing with the band etc at 2.30pm. He would eat lunch at 12.30pm ever day with his children, so why would the Dr. give him propofol at 10.40am. It does not make sense. I feel he gave it all to him earlier and perhaps closer together. He may have given him the propofol to sleep and Michael could have stopped breathing straight away like that video on CNN AC360. The oxygen tank may have been empty as well. If he died quickly the propofol may not have had the time to synthesise in the body, hence the traces of it.
Why the Coroner called it Propofol poisoning is maybe the propofol was the last med that “put the nail in michael’s coffin” so to speak(final one to stop his heart). The others would have started the job.
Comment by Sheryl — September 24, 2009 @ 7:02 pm |